Twenty episodes in, and this one might be the most quietly powerful yet. Dalyss Saari — artist, mother, and American expat currently living in Birmingham, England — sits down with Siren and Wendy for a conversation that moves seamlessly between real trauma and real joy, sometimes in the same sentence.

For the first time, listeners get to actually meet her. Not through a story Wendy tells, not through a passing mention — Jessica Reeves, Wendy's wife, sitting down with Siren to answer questions directly.

For the first time, Wendy flips the format. Instead of being interviewed, she does the interviewing — sitting down with Bo-Dara and Squeezy, the two women you've heard reading intros, outros, and ad reads for months, and the two people who make up the rest of Siren's throuple.

Wendy has news, and it's the kind that doesn't wait for a special occasion to happen. She and Jess got married. On a Tuesday. Less than 72 hours before this episode was recorded.

Some friendships start with a headset and a username. This one started with Cows of Chaos.

Mitch Grzegorek is Siren's friend of nearly twenty years, and he's officially the first straight man to ever guest on Tongue First. They met through Xbox Live back in the Halo days — Siren was fresh out of college, Mitch was a teenager brainstorming usernames with his brother, and neither of them had any idea the friendship would still be going strong two decades later.

Wendy's under the weather this week, so Siren welcomed two people into the room instead of one — Valisara, stepping out from behind the scenes and into the co-host chair for the first time, and Lisa Smith, a licensed therapist who specializes in EMDR and works closely with queer and neurodivergent clients.

This is one of the more educational episodes the show has produced, and one of the most personal.

Some guests you have on once. Jo Del Carmen you have on again, because the community demanded it and honestly, so did we.

Jo holds the title of most listened to episode in Tongue First history, and they came back with more to say — about relationships, about identity, about the space between what you're taught and what you actually want.

Some guests bring a story. Geli Jimenez brings a whole life — and she tells it with more humor and grace than most people could manage on their best day, let alone while describing their worst ones.

Geli is Wendy's close friend and former supervisor, and this episode is proof that some of the best friendships start as work acquaintances who quietly clock each other as safe people long before anyone says so out loud.

Some stories don't move in a straight line. Daisy Barton's is one of them — and that's exactly what makes it worth hearing.

Daisy is a trans woman, TikTok creator, and full time Uber driver based in Kansas City. She knew she was a girl at five years old. It took her until she was thirty-eight to hit send on a Facebook post that changed everything.

Ten episodes of guests. Ten weeks of other people's stories held with care. Episode eleven is what happens when Siren and Wendy pour a drink and hold their own for a while.

There's no guest this week. There's boxed wine, a Songbird-approved sparkling water situation, an ice maker working overtime, and two friends who have earned a slow night.

Some couples make you believe in the whole thing again. Adam and Topher are one of those couples.

Adam is the roaster behind aDam Good Coffee — the TikTok coffee brand with attitude, custom Siren and Wendy blends, and bags that make you smile before you've even brewed anything. Topher is an artist and gamer whose page, Time with Topher, is exactly as sweet as it sounds. They're married, they're joyful, and every night their backyard hosts a dinner party for a committee of wild raccoons. The record is thirty nine at once.

But the joy they've built stands on two coming out stories that were anything but easy.

Some people walk into your life quietly. They don't announce themselves. They just show up, stay, and somewhere along the way change everything without saying a word about it.

Miss Magali is one of those people.

Magali is a queer Latina, musical theater performer, TikTok yapper, and full time gaming streamer who told a community of seven people on March 5th that she was going live full time and never looked back. She came into Siren's world during one of the hardest moments of her TikTok journey — a malicious account ban during Pride month that wiped out years of work overnight. Magali showed up quietly, stayed, and only recently told Siren how much that Christmas interaction had changed her own trajectory too.

That's the kind of episode this is.

Some people have been doing this so long that the internet itself grew up around them. Matthew Lush is one of those people.

Matthew — aka Gay God — has been a presence online for twenty two years. Before TikTok lives, before creator houses, before sponsorship managers and media training, he was on MySpace posting pictures of himself and his boyfriend and accidentally becoming one of the first openly gay voices on the internet. He came out at fourteen. He did it on camera. And he kept going even when the world made it very clear that some people would rather he didn't exist at all.

Some guests walk in and immediately make the room feel like it expanded. Sylvie Savage is one of those guests.

Sylvie is a trans woman, TikTok creator, relationship anarchist, and someone whose story does not move in a straight line — which, honestly, feels very on brand. It moves through Bible college, religious deconstruction, a marriage, three kids, a miscarriage, a bipolar diagnosis, leaving the church, realizing she was trans, and somehow landing in one of the most intentional, loving, and beautifully complicated lives you'll hear described on this podcast.

Some guests walk into the room and immediately make it feel different. Jo Del Carmen is one of those guests.

Jo is a queer Latinx author, TikTok storyteller, and the woman behind Women in Papercuts — a series of true sapphic short stories written with the kind of tension that makes you want to turn down the brightness, light a candle, and get in touch with yourself. She grew up in South Florida, spent seven years writing and performing music, got shoved out of the closet by her brother, and has since been turning twenty four real experiences into some of the most honest sapphic short fiction on the internet.

She fits right in.

Episode five of Tongue First starts exactly where you'd expect a Siren and Wendy solo episode to start — with a completely unrelated debate about whether lesbians prefer cats or dogs — and then takes about fifteen hard left turns before it's done.

This week it's just the two of them, plus producer K-Rock and Nakiah holding down the background with the kind of facial expressions that remind you why video podcasting exists.

Some conversations feel less like recording a podcast and more like staying up too late in a queer friend’s kitchen while the world outside feels a little too heavy.

This episode is one of those conversations.

This week on Tongue First, Siren and Wendy are joined by Meggers for one of the most emotionally honest, vulnerable, and unexpectedly funny episodes of the season so far.

By Episode 3, Tongue First fully settles into what the show actually is: queer late-night conversation with absolutely no ability to stay on topic — in the best possible way.

This episode dives headfirst into the weird emotional reality of living online while trying to remain a real person underneath it all. Siren and Wendy unpack parasocial relationships, livestream burnout, internet intimacy, creator culture, queer loneliness, polyamory, emotional boundaries, and what happens when thousands of people suddenly feel connected to your life in real time.

There’s something deeply queer about meeting someone on the internet, trauma bonding in a TikTok Live, and then suddenly finding yourself eating beignets together in New Orleans like you’ve known each other for ten years.

Episode 2 of Tongue First brings in the show’s first official guest: Jared from the Internet

Every podcast has a first episode. Naturally, ours immediately spiraled into flirting, emotional oversharing, queer identity discussions, sapphic tension, and at least one moment where we probably should have stopped talking — but absolutely did not.

Welcome to Tongue First.